PartyRock

Saw a QSM 08/09 spec b today on Mass Ave in Arlington. I couldn't tell because I was behind, but it looked like there were wider than stock tires on there, but otherwise all stock. It also looked like an older guy driving, so I'm not sure if they are on here.

 

Pretty sure i saw him the other day in watertown (MA) too....

Flmao.

true that, in for results

in all seriousness BAC, the vf46 works very well with the racer-x. i too was concerned about lag etc, keep in mind the racer-x tubes are smaller than standard fmic's (<-3in), so this helps with flow in smaller turbos. Secondly, the amount of cutting i needed to do arent noticeable when the core isnt there, i did not need to cut any part of the painted portion of the bumper cover....with it all installed it looks like nothing was cut. really- compared to all the fmics out there, this kit is PERFECT for lgt's and hell, stage 2. I'm running stock fueling and running a bit over 300bhp/tq with this setup. (tbe, fmic, os tune)

the trimming was so minimal that I think the IPR requires more hand work than the racer-x

 

 

but price to performance, this wins

for the price, a racer-x fmic is the best way to go... sorry, dollar for dollar, the majority of these issue we're talking about are a moot point with an affordable fmic. the racer-x doesnt require an intake, nor does it require a new coolant overflow tank.

Penisvilletonborough

ooooh. vf52.

stg 2 300whp?

08-09 DGM LGT with stock spoiler, car stock otherwise on sky view dr. in west hartford CT tonight, yes, another spotting.

08-09 Ruby red GT boner stocker in hartford today at around 4. Had a light tint all around. Some black guy standing on the side walk whistled to me asking "what did done to it?" i said "what?" he said "the car, whats did to it" ......"ahhhhh.... (listed mods)"

through and through

Sarrrrrcasm.

yeah climber, move to socal so you and Shamar can figure out how to tune the TCU

I saw everyone on this forum, at WBM.

You know, much like starting the car in the winter and then driving in sport mode right away, only harder shifting. 1->2 BAM! 2->3 BAM! Even 3->4 BAM! It's like the TCU has jacked the line pressure from autocrossing it and it hasn't figured out that it's just being asked to cruise.

 

After every autocross it would do that for a couple days (I have a short drive to work) before things were back to normal. It didn't do that after my latest tune, where Requested Torque was rescaled from 320 max to 400 max.

 

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You can't go over 408 rt or you get less throttle. It will limit the max throttle to whatever plate angle coincides with 408 on the map. It doesn't have enough of an effect to give harsh shifting though.

 

Interesante, i will have to pull my map and review what was put in....it seems like the torque converter is locked up more often, especially cruisin on/off the throttle.

I'm not quite sure how it could kill the tranny. Essentially you are telling the ecu that your foot is pushed down further than it is (ever floor it and let off quickly before it finishes shifting and have it jerk?)

 

Obv this value should be tuned within reason, you dont want stiff shifts for daily driving and light throttle.

 

I dont recommend going house on your tranny once this is done, its still brittle, lol

Though I would love to see a stock TMIC being blasted with 24psi, I wanna see carnage...seeing damaged subaru goods is funny. It's even funnier when it's being held together with jbweld and wire coat hangers....

In my case, with the LGT, I listened to that kind of advice from my tuner, and bought and installed a Perrin TMIC. Since I was going to install an AVO380 setup as well it made sense to me.

 

I'd been running meth with the stock (JB Welded and wired together ) TMIC successfully on my VF40 and had hundreds of logs of it. The Perrin brought an extra PSI of boost, from lowered core loss, which with the VF40 meant more power. That made me happy.

 

What did not make me happy was the seemingly interminable issues fitting the Perrin to my car. It made meth nozzles easier. As far as being a better intercooler... meh. On meth the OEM IC did fine as an intercooler, never showing an issue relating to it being saturated and ineffective at cooling. But one thing the Perrin DID bring that wasn't great, was more heatsoak in daily driving. How could it not. I'd not get the same TMIC again.

 

Of course, there is no argument that a PW or similar TMIC wouldn't work BETTER. It would. But no matter how superior an intercooler it or one like it is, it is going to be an inferior daily driver IC. The factory built the best one for that.

 

I still like the meth part.

 

 

that is why a FMIC is so much better! plenty of piping room for the meth nozzle and very minimal heatsoaking. I don't know how to properly put this..... you're running meth on a wired/jbwelded stock tmic? I'm at a loss for words.

My tuner mentioned that by increasing the requested torque value in the map(which is then communicated to the TCU as the TCU sees the R.T. value), it will cause higher line pressure. He did so, and it shifts much more firm now(not shock shifting) and there is a lot less in-between-gear time than before. Forgive my nubness if this has been talked about before....

You have it in a nutshell there... throw a good WI kit on the stock TMIC and forget it. I did on my LGT. I am also considering it on my WRX, seriously.

 

As it is I have higher IDCs at Stg2 than I'd like, even with boost constrained and AFRs adjusted to 11.0. That means a pump and injectors. But with meth I could forget octane and heat issues, make a bunch more power, and in the process reduce my IDCs.

 

Incidentally, one member who has BP modded his OEM IC just finished half a hundred laps at a CA racetrack... all perfectly handled by his BulletProof OEM TMIC. I mention this as case in point about the dyno vs real world performance of intercoolers. Big differences.

 

 

I'd spend the money on a new TMIC rather than methanol with the stock TMIC. That's like upgrading the turbo and keeping the stock downpipe on.

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That is a perfect example of the mod's use, for those who, in fact, have a better TMIC or a FMIC in their future. Saving for those is one thing, but even if you have the cash sometimes the TMIC you want isn't immediately available or the complete FMIC kit along with all that that installation entails is a little far away in time. If your OEM TMIC fails you don't have any choice but to deal with it today.

 

However, the presumption that everyone either wants or needs a replacement for the OEM TMIC, once it is modded, is incorrect. Many of us, even if track work is involved, find the bulletproofed OEM TMIC to be perfectly adequate. I know I do. And I know others who do as well.

 

That said, it likely lurks in everyone's dreams who owns one of these cars to look under the hood and see the beauty of an STI-sized TMIC. I know I do. But everything in its own time. I can wait now without worry mine will STB. FWIW, and not to cast asparagus on anyone's decision who has one... but you couldn't pay ME to have an FMIC on this car.

 

 

well, there's without a doubt a higher efficiency level of aftermarket TMIC's than the stock TMIC. Studies have been done and you can search this forum for pre/post IC thermistor readings. If the stock TMIC was a tiny bit stronger, I'm sure a good amount of people would still be using it. However, the reduction in intake charge-side temps leads to a nice increase in torque and a bit in horsepower. In fact, local to me, we have dyno'ed pre/post fmic installation and have come to the conclusion that a fmic, even with a stock vf40/46, renders a noticeable increase in whp and wtq.

 

We could debate for days about such but, if you're on a budget, the bulletproof mod is for you. If you're looking for the best gains, a fmic or a process west tmic is going to be the best bet. Of course a little methanol wouldn't hurt either....

I did this about 3 weeks ago. Its a bit tedious but very well worth it. It is holding everything together perfectly and should last a lot longer. :-)

 

 

yup, while you save up for a better tmic or a fmic....