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DeleriousZ,

Can you tell me if your outback still has the 1" spacer on it for the engine crossmember even though the car is lowered? Or possibly measure how far below your STi TMIC sits below the hood line? I feel like my TMIC sits higher when looking at some photos of your engine bay and I want to figure out what the difference is to create the space. I just don't want the top mount rattling against the hood.

Thanks! And your car is sweet BTW.

Ben

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k115/T-Ho_man/386427_10150957163115162_788085161_21887785_1766855929_n.jpg

You appear to be breaking the law...

Jk, that is a sweet pic. Perfect stance just needs a complete STi swap and Baja hood. Car looks awesome.

Ben

anyone in Minneapolis? I'll be in town June 20-23. meet??

How the hell did I miss this? DAMMIT!!

Ben

MRLancaster,

What lip do you have on your car? I like the new paint!

Ben

Unfortunately it will not be a straight forward affair. It can be done with very minor machining. So this is definitely an option if someone wants to machine the tribeca hub down. Just FYI this is the rears only, not sure on the fronts. I think that will be less straight forward and may require something like an 05+ front STI hub machined for the GT strut mount.

I did my best to take accurate measurements but they are not professional so take it as you will.

There should be no concern with weakening the tribeca hub as it is only about a 1.4mm difference in total diameter:

Legacy bearing:39.59mm

Tribeca bearing:40.97mm

So in reality you'd only turn them down slightly to make them slip in.

The actual distance from the hub face to the back of the bearing APPEARS to be the same if not very close, likely not enough to matter in terms of rotors and brake mounting.

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx207/whitemagicbmc/hub%20measurements/DSC00258.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx207/whitemagicbmc/hub%20measurements/DSC00259.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx207/whitemagicbmc/hub%20measurements/DSC00260.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx207/whitemagicbmc/hub%20measurements/DSC00261.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx207/whitemagicbmc/hub%20measurements/DSC00262.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx207/whitemagicbmc/hub%20measurements/DSC00264.jpg

Looks like my STi backing plate idea won't work either. Not enough material to weld and re-drill the holes.

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx207/whitemagicbmc/hub%20measurements/DSC00268.jpg

Ben

I got it on ebay. Usually the head unit runs around $300 and the amp is like $100 (although u could use any 4 or 5 channel). It took a bit of soldering and speaker wire. I got the whole chebang for 200. I do not have the speakers yet, nor the sub in the back. I hear the oiginal Mc speakers (4 coax+tweets+sub) were just made by nokia, the same as my stock speakers. Ive got to do some more research on it, but I hear MB Quart makes some top quality stuff in germany. The 6x9 sub that goes on the back deck is like $300, im just going to wait a bit before I spend the money on the rest. Cant wait til I have all 11 speakers though

 

It sounds amazing even with 10 year old beat up speakers. So much better than stock. I can turn it up to the limit of the current speaks, and u can definitely hear that the speakers are very tired but that the signal is amazingly clear. thinking about getting one? i highly reccomend

Nice, thanks for the info. I was looking at it but the only setup I saw on ebay was $800. I can get a way better system for that kind of money. I think I'll just stay OEM. I am going to get the "upgraded" poly cone setup for $60 since what I have now is just the AM/FM stock radio and only two front door speakers. Should be a big improvement.

Ben

caschmidt, Your car looks nice. Where did you source that McIntosh head unit? Do you have the full speaker set up? How does it sound?

Thanks!

Ben

I haven't forgotten about this, I just haven't had time to go pick up the parts. I will for sure pick them up by this friday and take measurements this weekend.

Ben

well we will see what I can come up with. I just ordered a legacy rear bearing and a tribeca rear hub to take measurements and see what can be done since other people are slacking. I am impatient and want to get answers, if I never checked then I would wonder forever if it could have been done.

So hopefully tuesday of next week we will have more info and measurements.

Ben

I used the 05 bearing and machined the trailing arm to fit it.

You used a rear 05 STi bearing? How is that, they did not change to rear bolt ins until 08. the 05 fronts were bolt in but the rears were not. I am confused.

Do you have a bearing handy to take a measurement of the hub diameter by chance?

thanks!

Ben

I guess the better question Antho303T is did you use a 08+ rear bearing/hub? If so would the 04-07 rear backing plate work with a STOCK BE rear wheel bearing? The bolt pattern looks similar. That is what I'm trying to determine.

Thanks!

Ben

I'm really sorry guys for the late reply.

This is my rush season here in Quebec.

 

It's impossible for me to explain how you can do this mod but I can help you figure it out.

We’ve machined the rear trailing arms to put the STI bearing on. We put the STI backing plate. To be able to fix it, you need to change the bolt pattern of the plate and change the position of the spring retainer of the parking brake.

 

In the front, you need a custom coilovers to fit the right knuckle.

 

This is all the info I can give you via internet.

Antho303T, Do you speak english? I'm curious if you could better explain it over the phone rather than type it. If so do you have a number I can call you at.

I am planning to try and put a STi backing plate onto my BE. Are you saying the bolt pattern is different than the stock BE rear wheel bearing bolt pattern and it needs to be re-drilled?

Thanks!

Ben

I believe the bolt spacing on the actual front knuckle is different for the strut to attach(at least it is different compared to a 2008 impreza I believe). The solution would be to run STi struts in the front with BL/BP tophats I think but this is speculation on my part but I think correct.

If someone wants to measure their bolt spacing on their GT knuckle I can measure the GR one and see if there is a difference.

Ben

The easier method that I may have discovered is to just get a 08+ rear subframe. The bolt points to the car look identical from the pictures. I'm going to get some measurements on a 2009 STi subframe I have then try and measure my car.

The issue is the track width for the GR Sti is 60.2", my BE is 57.3" Does anyone know how this is changed? As in do you think the actual strut mount location is different or is it just longer lateral links to position the hub farther out?

If the strut mount locations are different then I assume its a no go.

Ben

Apparently no one cares about this anymore?

I found this, the confusing thing is if you look at the measurements, they list inches and millimeters, if you go off the inches, some dimensions are extremely close to the same but I am not sure what each dimension is or if its even what we want. The millimeters they list after the inches does not always match. Maybe I'll contact them and ask about that.

The bad thing is that this is claiming the tribeca rear is 27 spline so would need to find out if a STi axle will work.

Ben

If fred beans parts reads this, if you have access to a tribeca rear bearing assembly can you count the spline count and also check the diameter of the hub itself and then the actual OD of the wheel bearing to see if it may be an actual bolt in to the rear spindle.

the bolt pattern looks the same if this is truly the part:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NATIONAL-512328-Rear-Wheel-Hub-Bearing-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQfitsZModelQ3aTribecaQQhashZitem4157086c9cQQitemZ280633044124QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

Ben

EDIT: this is showing "trapezoidal" type flange for the tribeca instead of "rectangular" flange for the 05+ legacy. But the 08+ shows rectangular, so who knows. This still leaves the possibility that the hub itself can be pressed into the legacy bearings but we need measurements. It's possible that the tribeca basically uses the reverse of a spec B axle or what is now the 08+ impreza and 2010+ legacy GT but for this to be true that would mean that the hubs would have to be interchangeable I would think.

http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/shop_parts/wheel_hub_assembly/subaru.html

I'm gonna bump this back up because I want to figure out if this is possible.

Did anyone ever measure the OD of the STi hub and the ID of the legacy GT rear bearing?

I am actually looking to do this on my BE which may be more complicated due to ABS tone rings.

Does anyone know how the tone rings are for the rear BE/BH axles? Are the teeth built into the axle stub?

I am fairly certain the rear spline count is different, the rear has a 25 count for the R160 vs a 27 count for the R180 according to this post:

http://www.rs25.com/forums/f8/t99763-axle-spline-count-r160-r180.html

It still may be possible that the diameters are the same and the 5x114 hub will push into the legacy rear bearing. This raises the question for me at least of what axle to use because my rear axles have the ABS ring built in and the STi's have the ring that bolts to the hub flange itself.

I am curious about the tribeca since it has the 5x114 hub but a R160(supposedly, I've never confirmed). So either they are using a different hub with the lower spline count, which may then be usable for the GT guys if it will push in.

It looks identical to the 08 rears and since it is VDC I think it just uses the new ABS type sensors that are magnetic rings and not physical tooth rings. This could be promising for you BL/BP owners. My guess though is that the Tribeca rear axle could be some one off hybrid but maybe not.

This will likely be more headache than it is worth but I am curious to get an absolute answer. If Fred Beans could take any measurements they have available to them that would be ideal or even just measure spline counts to confirm.

I could always model some new 5x114 hubs with the 25 spline count in solidworks and have it made but that seems like a lot of work and probably expensive to machine.

Ben

I"m confused as to why you are not just using an 07 Spec B transmission? Or even an 07 Sti transmission. You will have the gears and diffs if you wanted LSD and DCCD and the new synchros.

You can get brand new 07 STi bare transmissions for 3800 from the dealer(or used to be able to).

You seem to be making a lot more work and expense for yourself.

Why did you choose to send an 04 to have gears installed? I assume there is a reason I am just curious what it is. Did you get a non working 04 Sti tranny for cheap from Silverline?

Thanks

Ben

I have a 2009 Sti tranny with 15k miles on it, I would entertain selling for the right price but it sounds like you want the 04/05 DCCD front rear split but just throwing it out there.

Good luck!

Ben

I've been sifting through this thread and some others, and I'm putting together a shopping list... My goal is to end up with the following: 6MT, DCCD, R180, no R160 parts or EAT parts, Torsen diffs front and rear, and 35F/65R torque split. Parts list so far:

 

04-05 STI 6MT (3.9 FD)

07+ STI R180 (3.9 FD, I think?)

07-09 SpecB driveshaft

07-09 SpecB rear axles (P/N 28421AG03B), axle seals (P/N 806732200)

 

6MT rear tranny mount

07 Spec B shift linkage

specB or STI flywheel,

flywheel bolts,

STI clutch (not sure which yet...)

clutch slave cylinder

shift fork

goodridge SS clutch hose

Spiider DCCD controller

 

Am I on the right track so far? Can I get a sanity check?

 

Thanks!

 

EDIT: well, crap. I have conflicting info about which 6MTs have 35/65 vs 40/60.

I'm fairly certain the only 3.9 R180 is the 04-05 as they have the 1:1 transfer gear. The others have 3.54 rear diffs and 3.9 front with a 1:1.1 reduction. At least I know 2007 is 3.54, however they may have changed it again for 2008 but I really don't think they did.

EDIT: looked on cars101 and it verified that the 07+ is 3.54 rear diff final drive.

I'll have to do some more research but those are the things that stuck out to me initially.

Also the 04-05 are the transmissions with 35/65 split with dccd open.

Ben