GrimmSpeed

It is still extremely impressive that it is as close to being an identical pull as it is for Virtual Dyno.

And I should clarify that I meant faster free rev (albeit small, but noticeable), as the difference between time to rev when on power is greatly overshadowed by the engine actually making power. The contribution at that point is just too small to notice.

Chase

Engineering

I made no power on crank pulley, in fact I lost torque. I only did for peace of mind.

 

Here is a run that was about an hour apart (time to replace it the pulley while everything is hot). This is on a fairly stock overall car, maybe with my current power levels it would make a bigger difference?

I'm sure you know this, but a lightweight crank pulley will neither add, nor lose power/torque. The main advantage is of course a slight decrease in time to rev up and down (helpful with rev matching, etc), and to replace or preemptively replace an aging stock pulley which has a potential to separate (sometimes catastrophically).

On that VD, even with best intentions, there are enough differences (especially on stock tune, the time to switch to open loop fueling makes me cringe) that you can't really attribute the 5 ft-lb "loss" to the crank pulley. It would be just as valid to say that the crank pulley somehow decreased spool, got rid of the wonky fueling at 4500 rpms, and smoothed out the powerband. But, we can be nearly 100% certain that isn't the case either.

Like I said, I know you know this, but I just wanted to clarify for future readers.

Chase

Engineering

Hey guys! I wanted to chime in here and share what I'm sure a few of you have already noticed. We were working on the incorrect intel that the turbo inlet for the 5th gen LGT is the same as the 2015 WRX (we don't have one available for testing). While they do look very similar, the LGT solenoid actually fits differently than the 2015 WRX solenoid. For that reason, the small bent bracket that holds the solenoid can't be utilized. It appears that the machined piece will still work as intended, but that mounting of the solenoid itself may need to be different.

Our solution will likely be to provide a more 'universal' mount for the solenoid that will allow you to mount it somewhere near the turbo along with a longer wiring harness. You'll get all of the same benefits that the GrimmSpeed unit offers over the others in just a little bit different package. We are fast tracking this project to get a proper solution to you guys, so stay tuned(heh)!

Matt Beenen

Engineering

For those of you who ordered through the site, is your notification email providing you with the link to provide feedback for LGT.com or NASIOC?

 

My email provided the link to the NASIOC GB, likely because my order was made there, but my feedback will be here.

 

Have suggested to Andy, who sent the email, to include our LGT.com GB link instead of the NASIOC one so members here can provide their feedback.

 

Andy emailed me and indicated that he would.

Thanks for the suggestion! Most of our orders come from NASIOC members, so that's the reason the link is in each email. With that said, that's an awesome suggestion. Perhaps I'll create a 'feedback' page on our website that links to various feedback methods (our site, nasioc, lgt, vendor sites, etc).

Also, here are a few more photos to hold you over for the weekend!

http://www.grimmspeed.com/content/images/tmic_subaru_0814_25_1200.jpg

http://www.grimmspeed.com/content/images/tmic_subaru_0814_26_1200.jpg

Matt Beenen

Engineering

I'm sure Matt will give an official update but OBXT owners can now break open the piggy bank! ;o)

This is correct - the intercooler installed just fine! I'll get pictures up a little bit later today or tomorrow morning! Thanks again, Rich, for volunteering your car!

Matt Beenen

Engineering

After watching the video, there's a rear mounting bracket for the TMIC that GS is adding.

 

I thought you were talking about something stock... sooooo there is where the confusion was coming from. My apologies.

There is if you watch the video.

 

Just above the pitch stop, which is why I referenced that.

Yep, you guys are correct. There is a mount on the firewall. Depending on the difference, it may be that a lower profile vibration isolator could help make up for the height change, or maybe a modified bracket. We'll let you know exactly what the situation is when we get our mitts on a car!

Matt Beenen

Engineering

Hey guys! I'm posting this update in both currently active threads. Sorry for the lack of information on this forum recently - we've just had ours noses to the grindstone trying to get these out.

Shipping update: as many of you probably noticed, WRX kits have shipped. This isn't because we play favorites or anything (in fact, I used to have an 05 LGT and know the feels), but because the LGT splitters are a bit more complex and we had some issues with the rivet gun that we weren't happy with. All of the splitters have been reworked and had to work back through powdercoating. We should have most of them back today and have kits standing by, ready to pack and ship!

Regarding OBXT fitment, it's still something that we're unsure of. We're planning on having a car in for test fitting this week.

Install video is done! We'll have a separate video with some notes regarding the LGT install, since the splitter is a bit different, but you'll have no trouble figure it out!

Matt Beenen

Engineering

My understanding is that you are making payment now to secure your spot in line (in regards to shipping priority). You can pay as late as January 16th, if you want.

This is correct. Part of the reason for this is below!

I saw somewhere else (don't remember might be here) they have 250 units available. So as soon as those are bought up you will have to wait for new ones to be made.

Yep! The great thing about having these lists before production is 100% complete is that we have time to 'fine tune' our production numbers between wrx, lgt, uncoated and coated. This way, we can maximize the use of the first 250 kits rather than end up with 100 extra WRX kits and a bunch of LGT guys wanting kits! Placing payment means we can adjust production on the fly with confidence.

Let us know if you have other questions!

Matt Beenen

Engineering

Payment sent Matt - thanks a ton for pursuing this and getting it to market. Know that it's been a huge undertaking amidst everything else that's been going on.

 

On a side note, wish I had caught up with the GS LWCP GB when you were offering it. Went ahead and ordered it with the GS TMIC. New year's Christmas present.

You know, I've been saying it a lot recently, but we really have you guys to thank for being such great supporters and for being so patient during the process. The truth is, we're all car guys too. We've all saved our money to buy products that have been disappointing. The idea that we can put our heads together and eliminate those problems for so many people is really a great motivator. The thought of you all unboxing your TMIC kits and installing them with a few buddies in the garage on a Saturday without having to throw wrenches and curse at your new parts is awesome.

Thank YOU!

Order placed, have a confirmation #

:)

Matt Beenen

Engineering

My pleasure, Happy Holidays!

Matt Beenen

Engineering

Wait for a year for it to come out....comes out one week after I total my car:spin:

Really sorry to hear that, man!

I tell you what - if your car's replacement can use one of these intercoolers, I'll honor the group buy price for you anytime. Just shoot me an email (mbeenen@grimmspeed.com) and remind me.

Matt Beenen

Engineering

You guys have been great! Here's a link to the Group Buy on this forum - for guys that don't have NASIOC logins!

http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/grimmspeed-top-mount-intercooler-and-splitter-08-14-wrx-05-234673.html?p=5007513#post5007513

Cheers!

Matt Beenen

Engineering

Under 800 for the GB. Around 1000 retail.

Bingo! Retailers will be selling it for closer to $875 after it's official release.

Matt Beenen

Engineering

You guys are great - thank you for bringing my updates over from NASIOC! I've been so busy with wrapping these up that I haven't had a lot of time to trek back and forth between forums. Anyway, you can look for a group buy and preorders to start next week! Here's a sneak peek at how production is moving along - yesterday's batch! All of the LGT splitters should be back from powdercoating shortly!

Re: that new PW intercooler, I gave my initial impressions on NASIOC when Kevin from PW came in to derail our thread and I'll spare you guys from the details. It's clear that they've been watching the development of our TMIC and were grasping to find a way to compete. It's a nice idea, but one that we dismissed almost a year ago ourselves as a result of a good deal of CFD analysis. I can expand if you'd like, but I think we'll probably just let both of them speak for themselves!

Matt Beenen

Engineering

Thanks guys!

2 questions, I see in the pic there is a plug for a hole, is that a port for a temp sensor by chance for those of us running SD and aftermarket intake temp sensors? If not, is it possibly an option?

 

Also, looks like the BOV does not really fit with the stock return hose, will that be fixed or what's the solution for that?

Yes, we tapped both end tanks so that we can use pressure traducers and temperature probes to log those values during testing. We've talked about tapping holes for IAT sensors, water meth nozzles, etc, but it's most likely that we'll provide a recommended location for you to drill and tap it yourself, since people need a variety of different thread types. It's not out of the question just yet though, so I'll bring it back up with the team to see if anybody has fresh solutions.

And yes, we definitely have a solution to get the stock BPV hose to fit the altered location of the BPV itself. It's most likely that we'll add a simple, subtle extension instead of replacing the entire hose to ease the installation. The stock hose is plenty good for the purpose that it serves, so we'll just help you re-use that. It'll look sharp, don't worry.

Matt Beenen

Engineering

Thank you all for being so supporting and understanding. When we're getting pressure from a lot of people to get this thing banged out, it's great to see so many of you willing to wait a bit longer than expected for the best possible product.

We went old school to build a prototype with one of the pre-production cores today. I'll just leave these here.

http://www.grimmspeed.com/content/images/tmic_subaru_08_proto1.jpg

http://www.grimmspeed.com/content/images/tmic_subaru_08_proto2.jpg

http://www.grimmspeed.com/content/images/tmic_subaru_08_proto3.jpg

http://www.grimmspeed.com/content/images/tmic_subaru_08_proto4.jpg

Matt Beenen

Engineering

I owe you guys some new photos! I got a batch of cores for final inspection this morning, so now that the cores are nailed down, I can share real pictures! These things are turning out AWESOME. We're welding up prototype end tanks to do some final flow testing and I'll share that process with you guys at an appropriate time as well!

Can you tell that I'm excited to have real parts!? If you take a look at the second and third picture, it's not hard to tell that we're taking a fundamentally different approach than some of our competitors when it comes to fin density and flow area. With some creative design changes and tight manufacturing tolerances, we've been able to use fin density that is about twice as high and at the same time, increase the flow area by nearly a factor of two, providing much greater cooling potential as well as a gain in flow and what I'm sure will be a much lower pressure drop.

Matt Beenen

Engineering

http://www.grimmspeed.com/content/images/tmic_subaru_08_core1.jpg

GrimmSpeed core on the top, other on the bottom.

http://www.grimmspeed.com/content/images/tmic_subaru_08_core3.jpg

Other core on top, GrimmSpeed on the bottom.

http://www.grimmspeed.com/content/images/tmic_subaru_08_core4.jpg

He meant "can."

It was nice to see an actual update instead of more PW talk

C'mon now, we only have conjecture and other vendor's i.c. discussion to fill in dead air.

Did it upset you to see the thread being bumped with the hopes and dreams it's regarding new information for the grimmspeed unit but it's only about us talking about the beaten to death pw ?

Haha, sorry guys!

Is this intercooler going to 100% for sure fit both lgt and sti style turbos like the PW? I'm kinda antsy and want to get my turbo while I can at the moment and I want to be sure I wont screw myself getting and sti style.

Yes!

I believe that was one of their requirements when designing this thing from the very first post.

Yes!

As you can see...yes. It will just be a difference of a silicone coupler.

http://www.grimmspeed.com/content/images/tmic_subaru_08_teaser5.jpg

YES!

Not to mention, I had already asked that question.. and it was already answered earlier this month lol

Yep, will definitely fit the lgt and sti style turbos!

Matt Beenen

Engineering

Thanks for the insight and feedback fellas! The magnets are definitely something that we've experimented with and found great success. The reason that they're not included is that they aren't really necessary for the tool tray to do it's job and added a good deal of cost and complexity to the part. We'd encourage you to find a couple of properly sized rare earth magnets and go for it, though. Works great!

The tool tray was actually a result of most of us in the shop doing the same thing. Tools in the rain tray, fender rails, intercooler, etc. Not only a great way to lose tools, but a great way to do some serious damage.

Matt Beenen

Engineering

^^Maybe retail but not a GB price I wouldn't think.

Yep, that's what I'm thinking at this point as well. Since you guys are being so patient, I'm going to do everything I can to get a killer group buy deal going when the time is right.

In the mean time, here's a fun little side project we've had in the works for a while and is finally ready for release.

http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/grimmspeed-radiator-shroud-w-tool-tray-group-buy-223607.html

3 PROBLEMS. 1 SOLUTION.

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How many times have you lost a wrench or socket in your engine bay? Yeah, that's what I thought, too many to count. Finally after all of these years of losing tools, GrimmSpeed has come to the rescue. Introducing our Subaru Radiator Shroud w/ Integrated Tool Tray. Another common issue that we are fixing is that in stock form, because of the way the front of the Subaru is designed, there is incoming air that doesn't actually pass through the radiator because of some large gaps in sealing at the top. Our shroud forces this air back through the radiator which in turn keeps the radiator cooler. Thirdly, we snuck in yet another cool little feature that you won't find on other radiator shrouds; we have incorporated the radiator stays into our shroud. Yep, you can now ditch those OEM stays and transition over to our super clean approach to using the shroud as the radiator stay.

 

Quick Specs

• Innovative Integrated Tool Tray!
  
• Keeps Radiator Running Cooler - Directs air through radiator
  
• Built In Radiator Stays - Much cleaner look than competing products
  
• Heavy Duty DuPont™ Powder Coat(repeatedly toss tools in tray and no scratching)
  

Design

We designed the GrimmSpeed Radiator Shroud using our in-house FARO Arm along with the latest and greatest Solidworks CAD software. This assures that we can offer you the most precise and best fitting Radiator Shroud on the market.

 

Materials

Our Radiator Shroud has been made with beefy local raw materials. The base of the product starts out as aluminum or stainless sheet. We then invested a large amount of capital to create production level tooling and molds to allow the Tool Tray to be formed without having to rivet or weld. This gives it a much cleaner and more finished look. Next we turned to DuPont for their heavy duty Black and Red powdercoating. This gives the Radiator Shroud a very tough finish that will last for years. Stainless Steel shrouds are left uncoated, but have a beautiful brushed finish.

 

Fitments

Subaru Legacy 05-09

Subaru Outback 05-09

 

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http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server5000/8fmm9av/products/335/images/1337/radiator_shroud_subaru_08_6_1000__06108.1396834278.1280.1280.jpg?c=1

 

http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server5000/8fmm9av/products/335/images/1343/alternator_cover_lgt_5_1200__05855.1396835685.1280.1280.jpg?c=1

 

http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server5000/8fmm9av/products/335/images/1347/alternator_cover_lgt_7_1200__73032.1396835697.1280.1280.jpg?c=1

Hey guys, I came in yesterday to give you guys the same update but it looks like NYX beat me to it! Things are still moving along and I'll do my best to keep you guys updated! Fighting very hard to make the best possible intercooler for you all but still at a great price point. One without the other is a piece of cake, but that's not our style!

Matt Beenen

Engineering

can't wait to see all the "other brand" TMICs for sale in the classifieds once this hits the market.

Exactly, who do I need to make friends with at GS to get a three day lead lol

Haha, how about I give you guys a heads up? We'll host a group buy for you guys too, so that might be a good time to get a jump on the used market.

Matt Beenen

Engineering

Hey guys! Very sorry for neglecting lgt.com like I have! We've been swamped recently with all kinds of projects and year-end stuff, but I've finally got some time to finish crushing this TMIC and pushing it to production! The quote from NASIOC give a pretty good idea of what the current status is. Meetings with our foundry this week.

NYX - That's a WRX/STI fitment. Note, piping and ducting are not included in that price - both would be required for an LGT/08+Forester & WRX TMIC, so plan the price-point realism a bit higher than RSD has them listed..

This is accurate. This fitment will require the use of custom mounting brackets and silicone. We will likely sell the upgraded splitter and the 'sti turbo style' silicone hose separately. I like this structure, as it keeps you from needing to go 'all-in' right off the bat. I know how these more expensive mods can be harder to save for. I can't really comment on the pricing, but it will be structured the same way that all of our pricing is, so for what you get, the value will be the same as the 02-07 TMIC.

Apologies, I was just posting that for a price comparison to what they currently sell.

 

But wait, you are saying is that the one I have posted is for the core only? And you have to buy an extra "fit kit" to make it work?

I think this was answered, but no, the 02-07 re-uses stock STI couplers and such.

Gotcha, so safe to say around $900.

If we assume that the cost to manufacture the core and end tanks is the same as the 02-07 (it'll likely be a touch higher, as the end tanks are much more complex to cast) and add the cost of the brackets, silicone hoses, t-bolt clamps and stainless steel threaded inserts, this is probably not tooo far off. The splitter would add a bit more, obviously. MSRP on the PW unit is $1100 and I am really, really trying to create a setup that will cost closer to $900-1000. The challenge here is that our design and manufacturing methods are both much better and more costly, so it's not a matter of 'do the same thing but cheaper'. I'll continue working hard to bring you guys a killer option and we'll see where the chips fall! I'm excited!

Thanks for the updates GS guys. At this point, after searching for a PW for almost a month, I am going to pull the trigger on an FMS front mount. I don't really want a front mount, but at the same time I don't want to spend $700+ on a tiny AVO or Perrin when the FMIC can be had for the same. If and when this is ever available, put me on the list to buy one. Thanks and keep the R & D going.

Our pleasure - sorry that we don't have an option for you guys just yet! I own both of the other units that you mentioned and I think that the path that you chose to take is probably not terrible. I much prefer a tmic, but if you're gonna go that route, you may as well wait for exactly what you want. One word of warning - be sure to flush/blow/clean the FMS parts thoroughly before use. I've seen some gnarly stuff come out of those tubes.

Solidworks ftw

 

That core is huuuuugggeee

Thanks for the kind words! It is indeed a bit larger than the PW in all dimensions, but more importantly, it's properly designed. Two cores with the same external dimensions can behave very, very differently!

Matt Beenen

Engineering

Just wanted to chime in assure you that we haven't forgotten about this! It's still coming along. Pending some successful testing, we should have some real photos to share in the not tooo distant future!

Matt Beenen

Engineering

Yeah, what's the holdup? Just copy the Process West and increase the core in all three directions by a fraction of an inch, bring the price down, and BAM!

Now now, you know that's not our style.

In all seriousness, this is still moving along. The R&D/test phase of the project is not something that I've ever rushed and I don't intend to start now. I'm still hopeful that we'll have something released in the spring, but if I'm not happy with where we're at in the performance/fitment/quality/cost balance, I won't hesitate to let it delay the project. What that means for you, though, is that you know that when it's available, this thing will be the bee's knees.

Yes, it will come with a replacement splitter and yes, it will fit an sti style turbo.

Just wanted to give you guys an update, as it's been too long!

Matt Beenen

Engineering